We have probably all been in relationships with meat-eaters (in the non-veggie sense!), and I was wondering if anyone was in one right now? I'm sure this is an issue for everyone here - but how big of an issue is it? Could you (or do you?) live with someone who consumes dairy and meat products?

I thought about this because a vegan friend (non-queer) may be moving in with her meat-eating boyfriend and I thought about that maybe some day happening to me and having to maybe live a life where one shares one's refrigerator with a slab of hamburger meat!

And yes, I know I may be over dramatic - it is said that true love is hard enough to find on its own - so why sweat the little things... but is this a "little thing"? You always hear about "Democrats" saying they could never date/live with a "Republican" (like there's really that much of a difference between them - sorry! a little personal political commentary) - but I haven't heard much from a meat-eating/non-meat-eating relationship perspective.

I'm sure we'd all just LOVE to date only other queer vegans - but how many of us are there out there? What are your thoughts?

P.S. I also posted this message in a few other tribes to get feedback from a 'straight' perspective as well....
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MICHAEL
SF Bay Area
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    Re: Relationships with non-vegans/non-vegetarians

    Sat, February 5, 2005 - 9:37 PM
    if a vegan finds a vegetarian it's not too bad but a vegan that is around a meat eater then I'd recommend having no meat in the house and eating meat outside the house
    keeping meat in meat designated areas like
    all of this doesn't really need to be written in stone of course
    one thing I absolutely can't stand is the smell of fried fish that's a total hair-raiser for me
    yuk
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      Sun, February 6, 2005 - 5:15 AM
      yup thats the way. i can deal with dairy (not in my pans though!) but i have a no meat kitchen. i find if your clear about you boundaries thats what helps and if your partner has a problem with it then they need to deal. being vegan takes some thought and is usually a hard won battle. meat eaters quite ofetn dont think, why should they as they are the majority...so it dosnt do them any harm to have athink.

      beside my issues with meat eaters is they same with food in general, if they have respect about what they eat i will respect them.
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    Sun, February 6, 2005 - 8:57 AM
    michael,
    i have struggled with this issue for many years and over the years my perspective has changed a little. i have dated A LOT of meat eaters! for some reason it is hard for me to find a good butch girl who is veggie at all. i have always had a no-meat policy in my kitchen and most of the women i have dated have been very respectful of that and even would choose to eat vegetarian when we went out to dinner together.

    recently i was dating a person who ate fish as a primary meat. she would order fish often when we were out to dinner. it didn't bother me that much. i feel there is a very clear divide about what i do and what other people do and i did not feel offended at her choices as they were hers. a few weeks ago she was bringing dinner of tacos over to my house and she brought over shrimp ones! i was so horrified that she had brought meat in my house, then i realized i had never told her not to. i decided to let it go and not make a big deal about it. we have since stopped dating (for other reasons) so i dont' feel i need to address it. in the future i will be clearer with people bringing food to my home.

    i do know of a meat/vegan couple who eats veggie in the house. the meat eater has learned to eat vegan mostly and can bring 'take out meat' in the house but has separate plates for it. it doesn't seem to be too much of an issue for them as the meat eater has learned to enjoy vegan meals more. she also chooses to not eat meat often in front of her vegan partner.

    if i became seriously involved with a meat eater i would consider the above example as a living situation i could possibly deal with. i would need to spend time getting used to the idea beforehand though just as preparation. i don't think i could deal with cooking meat in the home however, that would be very hard for me.
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    Fri, April 22, 2005 - 10:23 PM
    Thanks for positing this question, Michael.

    My bf & I have been together for a little over a year and since he has the bigger flat, I spend most (read: all) of my time over here. In fact, we are thinking of merging but I'll save that for another thread. When we started dating, I was a fish eating, lacto-ovo "vegetarian". I started to get wierded out by the toxicity found in the fish, as well as not really being in integrity with regards to my spiritual path(s). So one day I woke up and announced that I was a vegan. He wasn't thrilled, but dealt.

    Now, it isn't much of an issue. In fact, he has realized that his health is much better because of it, and has cut down significantly on his meat consumption. Some of his friends, on the other hand, can't grasp the concept - TFB for them.

    As for the cooking utensils, plates, etc, I kind of just choose to deal. I trust the dish washer to do it's job.

    However, the one thing that I won't allow anything to touch except for vegan food is my iron skillet - it's sacred to me.
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      Wed, January 11, 2006 - 2:28 AM
      I cant date non vegetarians. All hell breaks loose...I did a no no and bitched at my date tonite after he ordered his burger at a restaurant...told him I wouldnt kiss him and that I thought meat was murder...well..needless to say that put an end to the night, AND the potential relationship.
      Sigh.
      It wasnt the right place or time...but it had to be aired eventually...probably better now than him finding out after getting more emotionally involved. He smokes too..ew..
      JOhn
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    Thu, October 26, 2006 - 1:52 PM
    I had a 3 year relationship with a non-veg boyf, and it was really bad, meaty smells everywhere, arguments and shit! He was a very nice person and I loved him but in the end probably veganism helped it all crumble down! I kept on my track though and now I don't believe I can find another person to love. Non-vegs are out of question, and vegs or vegans are very scarce here, do I have to relocate?
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    Thu, October 26, 2006 - 10:26 PM
    for the past year i have been seeing a meat eater somewhat exclusively and i feel like my opinions about diet and food choices have evolved a lot. i used to restrict my friend group as much as my diet- only wanting to make connections with vegan people. i think with this idea i developed a really 'judging' personality- eliminating and writing off people who did not fall in line with my vegan ideals. i think doing this has caused me a lot of pain as well as a greater sense of queer community that includes non-vegans and non-vegetarians. (and i know that my judgement would often not be communicated in the best way and hurt other people's feelings too).

    slowly, i've noticed an open-ness within myself to accept people for how they are. and i realized that a lot of my vegan judgement was rooted in a deep insecurity within myself. i also feel like i spend a lot more time connecting with people around other aspects of my identity. which feels really refreshing and nice.

    more specifically, with my date- when we go out to eat he order's meat very frequently. i feel like when making resturant choices that he respects my diet choices and wants to make sure i'd be satisfied with my options. i think it's important to treat him with the same respect. i used to tie veganism up with a lot of political ideas- but now i realize that i can agree and identify with people's politics, even when they have a piece of meat dangling off their fork.

    i like to cook, so if we eat together not at a resturant it is usually because i cooked/ we cooked together. this is usually a lot of fun and satisfies my need to connect with him around food.

    sometimes i feel like i need a support group from some of the vegan rhetoric- policing people's food choices, making judgements, vegan seperatism, talking about what is vegan and what isn't vegan ALL THE TIME, the self righetousness. (maybe these are things i experiences because of my age and not so much of my veganism, but it's still there...). does anyone feel the same?

    grant
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      Fri, October 27, 2006 - 1:18 PM
      Hear hear!

      I was very resistant to ever becoming a vegan because of the unpleasant Vegan Police I had encountered in my travels. They were always busy ramming their ideals down the throats of anyone unfortunate to be within earshot and any world outside of veganism (art, socializing, etc) was not existant or strongly colored. And living in self-ritcheous, PC police state Seattle, they were everywhere (well, the ones who weren't at the tattoo parlor)

      I refused to ever be part of that scene and made a vow to always eat cheese.

      For four years, I happily dated a fellow vegitarian, and foodwise, things were fine. Then we broke up, and I decided I wanted to try my hand at being a vegan - not because I was all concerend about cows, cancer, or air polution, but because of the challenge. I picked up "How It All Vegan" - still, in my mind, the best vegan primer so far written. The authors' take on compassionate living - and allowing others to make their own food choises - was excatly what I wanted to hear. In the years since (three plus) the more aulturistic reasons for veganism have certianly become cemented in my reasoning.

      For the last year, I've been dating a meat eater. He very much enjoys all sorts of food and is excited about the challenge of cooking vegan. He respects my choises, I respect his, and we get along fine. Slowly, he has become more veg and now prefers not to eat meat. 100% vegan will never happen and that is okay with me.

      I work for a toy and novelty company that makes many bacon products - bacon bandages, bacon tape, bacon wallets, ad infinitum - and I love them. They are so rediculous and so funny. Meat, as a gag, is a good thing. And damn, I miss bacon.

      The problem I have with some meat eaters is their instant revolted reaction to me mentioning that I am a vegan. It is something they simply cannot understand and their brains reel with the thought of only eating vegies. I am met with any number of incredulous questions - questions not of the currious, but of the inconsiderate. If a potential date ever responded like that, all bets would be off immediately.

      In group situations, particularly at work, I find that three years into my vegan adventure, any effort to accomidate my food choise is largely ignored or only half-heartedly humored (salad is not food - or not the only food). I have to fend for myself - which is fine considering local food choices consist of Azteca and Subway. Friends are more considerate, and again, my lover would have to be.

      I guess what it comes down to is respect - respecting people's food choises, allowing them to make their own decisions, and being accomidating (to the extent that they aren't baking a pig in a pit in your back yard).
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        Mon, January 15, 2007 - 12:24 PM
        My ex-partner is a non-veggie, ALTHOUGH he is completely open-minded, and we didn't split up for that reason! LOL.

        Although we had our moments, he was very respectful of my choices, and I of his, I did most of the cooking--when he did cook it was ALWAYS vegan or veggie stuff. So, it was never a problem for us. Still when I see him, we always eat at vegetarian restaurants, so maybe I rubbed off a little bit. (love ya T!!)

        Peace!

        Timmah
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    Thu, November 9, 2006 - 8:55 PM
    I have been vegan for six years and have dated mostly meat-eaters. My boyfriend now is mostly vegan (he does dairy every once in a while). I don't know if I could go back to dating non-vegans. I always had problems with seeing a guy gnaw into a chicken breast over dinner and then taste and smell it on him when we got hot-n-heavy later. But, more than that, it usually came down to a matter of having a shared worldview. For me, veganism is a moral/ethical/spiritual choice integral to my identity and way of being. While I can have any number of friends who eat meat, I need my boyfriend/primary partner to believe that animals deserve a life free from suffering and cruelty.

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